Home Office will press on regardless with damaging EU de-ac gun ban

11 May 2016 – The Home Office has confirmed that it will implement the EU’s damaging and dangerous deactivation standards in spite of growing concerns – even, it seems, from police.

The Police Oracle website, which is an online magazine aimed at serving police employees, reports (registration required) that the Home Office has “clarified” that the de-ac gun ban will “only” apply to de-acs placed on the market.

This is, if not actually untrue, disingenuous. All the Home Office has really done is repeated its initial line, as reported by UK Shooting News: the ban will brand all UK-spec de-acs “defectively deactivated” and make it a criminal offence to sell or even give them away within the EU.

Possession, however, will not be an offence. The only legal way to sell or give away a UK-spec de-ac once the ban comes into force will be to have it re-deactivated to the new EU spec, which involves welding the firearm solid.

UKSN understands that British experts are very worried by this, as welding deactivated firearms solid makes it impossible to check whether internal cutting and welding has been properly carried out. The UK spec allows very limited stripping of deactivated semi- and full-auto firearms, which pleases collectors but also allows the authorities to ensure they really do comply with the specifications.

Police Oracle also reports that the Home Office wants to make it clear that the ban, which it brands a ‘classification change’, will not place any extra burdens on police.

UKSN’s author wonders whether the police could reject an FAC application for a ‘defectively deactivated firearm’ to be held against a collection-only condition.

Sources in the historical reenactment world have told UKSN that some groups are apparently considering whether to ditch de-acs and simply invest in live firearms instead, as it makes international travel for fully-equipped reenactment groups easier. Other groups have complained publicly that the EU diktat has made it impossible for them to travel to WWI commemoration services on the Continent.

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6 thoughts on “Home Office will press on regardless with damaging EU de-ac gun ban

  1. commonlycalledcosmin

    The good thing about this is as they say more people will actually apply for real firearms since it will be easier to travel with them. Doesn’t make sense does it, want a lump of metal that used to be a gun then you need to meet stringent requirements which virtually butcher the firearm and make any reenactment with it pretty disingenuous. Want a live firearm which actually shoots real bullets? Then no problem, easier to get than a deact and the gun is not butchered.

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    1. TIM

      I should imagine that their will be kick back on this, as an interesting note some folks are suggesting that if it is a government specification and they are declaring it “defective” it is an admittance of liability. Ergo these guys are going to go for comp which is a logical and reasonable requirement. Personally i think they are entitled to comp in any case. The UK Government hardly have a leg to stand on with their “wholehearted support”. Some of these things go for big bucks and have been going up in value over the years. They also represent not only a collection of interest to an individual but also a nest egg. Owners of a vintage vehicle for instance are not required to bring it up to modern DOT Standards for instance, thus destroying the value of said item. Lets face it even the guy who conducted the recent Law Commission review in his final summary stated he expected it to be “problematical”. The whole thing would seem to smell of agenda driven drivel at this point as with the current standards the UK has it not really on the cards for wholesale reactivation of this kit. I have never believed the hype about “easily reactivated” I am not saying it has never happened, but the easy bit is just rubbish. They have been done by skilled folks with requisite knowledge and a supply of parts.

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      1. commonlycalledcosmin

        Not just that but some are suggesting that due to the fact that all parts will be welded solid, then nobody can actually check if these rifles are truly deactivated. It would be easy for somebody to have a fully working rifle, shipped in and then weld all the exterior covers to make it look like it is totally useless when in fact it could have working parts. Now with current UK deact spec at least we can strip the rifle somewhat and see that everything is welded internally.

        Proof houses might just refuse to proof with such defective specification de facto banning these guns if anybody wants to sell them.

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  2. James

    You just prevented the relatives of people that FOUGHT for this country and our “freedoms” from re-enacting abroad and honouring the memories of them through this nonsense. Bravo Govt and the EU. Pfffff!

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  3. Peter Davidson PHD

    Meanwhile you can make a perfectly reliable 9mm submachine gun with a few pieces of structural box section and seamless steel tubing.

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    1. Gaz Corfield Post author

      Do you have anything else to contribute to my comments section other than the same 2 or 3 videos and links to blueprints? It gets a bit tedious seeing the same thing over and again.

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