Let’s not say things like this

fuk idiots

Posted barely an hour after an apparent madman drove his car through pedestrians on London’s Westminster Bridge, resulting in the death of at least one by the time of writing, and a knife attack on an armed policeman which resulted in the attacker’s death. It is thought the knifeman was also the car driver.

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13 thoughts on “Let’s not say things like this

  1. Resident

    I don’t get the title ‘Let’s not say thins like this’ and is it in reference to Firearms-UK post?
    We still don’t know the true dynamics of what happened today but if it turns out that someone ran over and killed a pedestrian before stabbing an armed officer why isn’t Firearms-UK message applicable?
    No one I believe wants a sort of free-for-all firearms carry but unfortunately things appear to have taken a turn for the worse notwithstanding the EU pathetic attempt to curb acts of terrorism with their firearms directive and the question of somewhat protecting oneself while out and about remains and no one, including the EU or the government has come up with any practical, effective initiative.

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  2. David Webley

    Please disregard the post above.
    It should read I quite agree with the original comment by Gaz.
    In the confusion armed civilians would complicate the situation as no one could tell ‘Good guy’ from ‘Bad guy’ and you could well end up with ‘Blue on Blue’ as armed civilians started shooting at each other or were shot by the Police or Army.

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    1. Resident

      David,
      As I pointed out no one me included is advocating an indiscriminate, free-for-all firearms carry and I agree that in some circumstances like this one it might have not been effective and possibly counterproductive but with the terrorists becoming more daring in their efforts a sensible debate about firearms carrying for trained civilians would be producrive.
      I respect your opinion which is valid and has merit but unfortunately this discussion is considered like talking black masses at a Christian convention in all circles included the shooting community.

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  3. Brian Jones

    This post really confuses me! What is being proposed and by whom? Surely there isn’t the suggestion that me,bears of the wider public be free to roam the streets with firearms under the guise of being an aid to the police!

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    1. Tim Sheridan

      As much as it may shock and upset you, there are some of us in the British firearms community that _do_ want to see widespread public carrying of weapons for defence purposes.

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      1. Resident

        Tim,

        I’m personally neither shocked nor upset I actually welcome any interest in firearms carry for civilians but what I find disconcerting is that this topic is not discussed as much as I personally believe it deserves in the shooting social media and blogs.

        I believe that this should be a topic for discussion in all circles because personal protection affects everyone.

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    2. Resident

      Brian,

      As I posted earlier on I don’t believe that anyone is suggesting or even contemplating an indiscriminate, free-for-all firearms carry for civilians but rather an open and unbiased debate about firearms carry for trained individuals in the face of a terrorist threat which is becoming more daring.

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      1. Brian Jones

        Resident. If you feel strong about this topic, the use of your name in your communication would be appropriate. Please, at least, have the courage of your convictions.

        On the subject of NON-POLICE assisting in managed assistance to the police force, how would the respective individuals be controlled and managed at the scene of an incident in order to prevent indiscriminate shooting of “innocent” people? Currently, IF/When current members of the armed forces are called upon to assist the police, they are under the direct control of the Police incident commander. How would the police arriving on the scene know who was the assailant and who was “assisting” in their apprehension? Armed individuals must fall within the incident management in order to prevent unnecessary loss of life.

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  4. Resident

    Brian,

    I believe that we, the UK people, are left defenceless in the face of a terrorist threat which is becoming more daring and surely more inventive in the ways they adopt to kill and hurt people.

    Firearms-UK post, as I read it, wants to initiate a discussion about civilian firearms carry to empower civilians to defend themselves and the immediate others from an impeding life threat and your comments are part of this discussion and your views are totally valid.

    With regards to having the courage of ones convictions allow me to say that this is reflected in standing firm on those convictions in the face of daily trials and not in a pretend name used in an internet chat room.

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    1. Gaz Corfield Post author

      Trying to start that public conversation while the bodies of the murder victims are still cooling is outright stupid and damn insensitive, and definitely not calculated to help win support from the wider public. There’s a time for everything and that time was definitely the wrong one for this thing.

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  5. Michael Yardley

    People should be able to own any firearm they desire and carry in public for self-protection. There is no way to legally carry anything to defend yourself here, not even pepper spray. Gun laws are only good at disarming the law-abiding. Criminals will always get illegal firearms, even if it means improvising them from plumbing pipe … http://homemadeguns.wordpress.com

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